[Highland Park] Sandy's Deli: Class and Race, and Means and Ends
Hi all, I've been following the discussion about Sandy's Deli for awhile and thought I'd add my two cents. I know the Highland Park residents who are most identified with the campaign to restrict liquor sales at Sandy's Deli and know they are fighting the good fight to improve their block. I also know that their concern is with bad behavior in and around Sandy's Deli, not the persons who are committing the bad behavior. Being against loitering and suspected drug dealing is not being against young black men. I also know that these residents are not simply advocating for middle-class propriety in a struggling section of Highland Park; they are not advocating replacing Sandy's Deli with a flower shop. They would like to see the new operators of Sandy's Deli sell a mix of food and drink that appeals to the broad diversity of the neighborhood around their store. Indeed, residential redevelopment efforts on Mellon Street by the Highland Park Community Development Corporation and East Liberty Development, Inc. may eventually change the local market for convenience foods to such an extent that Sandy's Deli will have to adapt or lose money. There may not be sufficient legal grounds to remove the liquor license from Sandy's Deli. If this is the case, I hope that interested residents can engage the future operators of Sandy's Deli in dialogue, in private as well as in public, about how to work with the neighborhood, not against it. Michael Michael P. Johnson Associate Professor of Management Science and Urban Affairs H. John Heinz III School of Public Policy and Management Carnegie Mellon University 2107C Hamburg Hall, 4800 Forbes Ave. Pittsburgh, PA 15213-3890 t: 412-268-4270 f: 412-268-7036 e: johnson2@andrew.cmu.edu w: http://www.heinz.cmu.edu/researchers/faculty/johnson2.html
Thanks for this helpful contribution. You mentioned market demands, which bring up a few questions for me. I wonder, is there currently any positive costumer base patronizing Sandy's? I have heard a few people say they have never shopped there bcs of the problems, and respect that. At the same time, a business' most natural points of leverage are their workers and their customers. If the workers are mainly family (as I believe is the case) and not likely to go against the owners, and the customers are solely the dealers and trouble-makers, then what is the point of leverage to force changes? What they care about is making money, not necessarily being good neighbors. When goodwill itself isn't enough (as seems to be the case, here) there needs to be a threat and/or a promise. When writing a complaint to a company, I always state "I am a customer, and.." or "I was a loyal customer until..." The threat being "and I won't be a customer if you continue X" and the promise being "and I will stay/come back if you change X." If there is no one shopping at Sandy's for wholesome reasons, that is out as a leverage point. They can't be threatened with loss of income if they weren't getting any (from positive products), anyway. So what leverage points exist as neighbors? I can think of a few, like "I'm a neighbor, and I'm going to sit on my porch and call the police whenever X happens" or "I'm a neighbor, and I'm going to organize a publicized protest outside your door." But, from those involved in this action, if the liquor license can't be legally revoked and Sandy's must be dealt with as-is, what are the "neighbor but not customer" leverage points here?
-----Original Message----- From: neighborhood-bounces@highlandpark.pgh.pa.us [mailto:neighborhood-bounces@highlandpark.pgh.pa.us] On Behalf Of Michael P. Johnson Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 9:02 PM To: Highland Park Neighborhood mailing list Subject: [Highland Park] Sandy's Deli: Class and Race, and Means and Ends
Hi all,
I've been following the discussion about Sandy's Deli for awhile and thought I'd add my two cents. I know the Highland Park residents who are most identified with the campaign to restrict liquor sales at Sandy's Deli and know they are fighting the good fight to improve their block. I also know that their concern is with bad behavior in and around Sandy's Deli, not the persons who are committing the bad behavior. Being against loitering and suspected drug dealing is not being against young black men.
I also know that these residents are not simply advocating for middle-class propriety in a struggling section of Highland Park; they are not advocating replacing Sandy's Deli with a flower shop. They would like to see the new operators of Sandy's Deli sell a mix of food and drink that appeals to the broad diversity of the neighborhood around their store. Indeed, residential redevelopment efforts on Mellon Street by the Highland Park Community Development Corporation and East Liberty Development, Inc. may eventually change the local market for convenience foods to such an extent that Sandy's Deli will have to adapt or lose money.
There may not be sufficient legal grounds to remove the liquor license from Sandy's Deli. If this is the case, I hope that interested residents can engage the future operators of Sandy's Deli in dialogue, in private as well as in public, about how to work with the neighborhood, not against it.
Michael
Michael P. Johnson Associate Professor of Management Science and Urban Affairs H. John Heinz III School of Public Policy and Management Carnegie Mellon University 2107C Hamburg Hall, 4800 Forbes Ave. Pittsburgh, PA 15213-3890 t: 412-268-4270 f: 412-268-7036 e: johnson2@andrew.cmu.edu w: http://www.heinz.cmu.edu/researchers/faculty/johnson2.html
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Leslie, The notion of a "positive customer base" is a bit troublesome. What is a positive customer, and what does he or she buy? I thought that customers who bought legal goods legally were positive customers, and others were not. What we may be getting at is the hope that a convenience store would have even a small and limited mix of fresh deli foods and household staples as well as convenience items that would make it attractive for folks who need to pick up a few things. That's mostly not Sandy's as I remember the last time I went there. One way to exert positive pressure on Sandy's might be for folks to go to Sandy's and buy things, and letting the person behind the counter know that they'd spend more money there if there were better things to buy. Maybe the businessman in Sandy might realize that as more affluent folks move on Mellon St. due to the redevelopment there, he might make more money on higher-margin food than beer. I'm not a marketing expert, though. Michael --On Wednesday, January 11, 2006 10:28 AM -0500 leslie setlock <Leslie@setlock.com> wrote:
Thanks for this helpful contribution. You mentioned market demands, which bring up a few questions for me. I wonder, is there currently any positive costumer base patronizing Sandy's? I have heard a few people say they have never shopped there bcs of the problems, and respect that. At the same time, a business' most natural points of leverage are their workers and their customers. If the workers are mainly family (as I believe is the case) and not likely to go against the owners, and the customers are solely the dealers and trouble-makers, then what is the point of leverage to force changes? What they care about is making money, not necessarily being good neighbors.
When goodwill itself isn't enough (as seems to be the case, here) there needs to be a threat and/or a promise. When writing a complaint to a company, I always state "I am a customer, and.." or "I was a loyal customer until..." The threat being "and I won't be a customer if you continue X" and the promise being "and I will stay/come back if you change X." If there is no one shopping at Sandy's for wholesome reasons, that is out as a leverage point. They can't be threatened with loss of income if they weren't getting any (from positive products), anyway. So what leverage points exist as neighbors? I can think of a few, like "I'm a neighbor, and I'm going to sit on my porch and call the police whenever X happens" or "I'm a neighbor, and I'm going to organize a publicized protest outside your door." But, from those involved in this action, if the liquor license can't be legally revoked and Sandy's must be dealt with as-is, what are the "neighbor but not customer" leverage points here?
Michael P. Johnson Associate Professor of Management Science and Urban Affairs H. John Heinz III School of Public Policy and Management Carnegie Mellon University 2107C Hamburg Hall, 4800 Forbes Ave. Pittsburgh, PA 15213-3890 t: 412-268-4270 f: 412-268-7036 e: johnson2@andrew.cmu.edu w: http://www.heinz.cmu.edu/researchers/faculty/johnson2.html
That was sort of my point, actually. I think a "positive customer base" would be folks who purchase legal goods in the store, and don't engage in any illegal activities on the premises. After I posted going there with my kids to get snacky stuff on a walk (to snoop at the renovation efforts), I received several emails criticizing this action (and me, personally) as being inconsiderate of the problems associated with Sandy's. On the contrary, it was a very considered action. I think more people stopping by on their walks would be a *good* thing. Dealers would probably be less likely to transact their business in a well-populated store full of families than being the only ones in the place. And that positive action doesn't require waiting for the affluent folks to move in. Chocolate milk and grape Huggies are pretty cheap. -----Original Message----- From: neighborhood-bounces@highlandpark.pgh.pa.us [mailto:neighborhood-bounces@highlandpark.pgh.pa.us] On Behalf Of Michael P. Johnson Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 10:49 AM To: 'Highland Park Neighborhood mailing list' Subject: RE: [Highland Park] Sandy's Deli: Class and Race, and Means and Ends Leslie, The notion of a "positive customer base" is a bit troublesome. What is a positive customer, and what does he or she buy? I thought that customers who bought legal goods legally were positive customers, and others were not. What we may be getting at is the hope that a convenience store would have even a small and limited mix of fresh deli foods and household staples as well as convenience items that would make it attractive for folks who need to pick up a few things. That's mostly not Sandy's as I remember the last time I went there. One way to exert positive pressure on Sandy's might be for folks to go to Sandy's and buy things, and letting the person behind the counter know that they'd spend more money there if there were better things to buy. Maybe the businessman in Sandy might realize that as more affluent folks move on Mellon St. due to the redevelopment there, he might make more money on higher-margin food than beer. I'm not a marketing expert, though. Michael --On Wednesday, January 11, 2006 10:28 AM -0500 leslie setlock <Leslie@setlock.com> wrote:
Thanks for this helpful contribution. You mentioned market demands, which bring up a few questions for me. I wonder, is there currently any positive costumer base patronizing Sandy's? I have heard a few people say they have never shopped there bcs of the problems, and respect that. At the same time, a business' most natural points of leverage are their workers and their customers. If the workers are mainly family (as I believe is the case) and not likely to go against the owners, and the customers are solely the dealers and trouble-makers, then what is the point of leverage to force changes? What they care about is making money, not necessarily being good neighbors.
When goodwill itself isn't enough (as seems to be the case, here) there needs to be a threat and/or a promise. When writing a complaint to a company, I always state "I am a customer, and.." or "I was a loyal customer until..." The threat being "and I won't be a customer if you continue X" and the promise being "and I will stay/come back if you change X." If there is no one shopping at Sandy's for wholesome reasons, that is out as a leverage point. They can't be threatened with loss of income if they weren't getting any (from positive products), anyway. So what leverage points exist as neighbors? I can think of a few, like "I'm a neighbor, and I'm going to sit on my porch and call the police whenever X happens" or "I'm a neighbor, and I'm going to organize a publicized protest outside your door." But, from those involved in this action, if the liquor license can't be legally revoked and Sandy's must be dealt with as-is, what are the "neighbor but not customer" leverage points here?
Michael P. Johnson Associate Professor of Management Science and Urban Affairs H. John Heinz III School of Public Policy and Management Carnegie Mellon University 2107C Hamburg Hall, 4800 Forbes Ave. Pittsburgh, PA 15213-3890 t: 412-268-4270 f: 412-268-7036 e: johnson2@andrew.cmu.edu w: http://www.heinz.cmu.edu/researchers/faculty/johnson2.html -- <http://www.highlandpark.pgh.pa.us/mailman/listinfo/neighborhood>
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