Thanks to everyone that provided firework watching recommendations. I had requested somewhere that wouldnt be too crowded or loud as we had a 2 year old visitor with us. Hope everyone had a good 4th! Alison Bogle Flagstaff Hill near CMU The Science Center has a package that includes food, drinks, entertainment and you can watch the fireworks from inside. Schenley Oval is a good place -- you see the tops of fireworks and there's a play ground...and if you park near the front it doesn't take all that long to get out... And it is not loud. A picture online of the skyline from this part of the park - http://www.pfds.org/images/schenley_overlook.gif. Drive down Bigelow Blvd. as if you were going to downtown. Go early as it gets crowded. Pull off the main road up on to the grassy area its called Frank Curto Park Head down around 7:00 to get a good spot. One place that might work (if you don't mind being far away) is Schenley Park by the tennis courts and frisbee golf course. There is a big hill there that is perfect for a picnic, is far away from the insanity of the downtown fireworks mayhem, but you can see the skyline from there and the fireworks in the distance. It is a popular place to watch the fireworks, but not as crazy as downtown. I would suggest getting there well in advance of darkness...perhaps plan your picnic for an hour or so earlier and then hang out until the fireworks begin. Let me know if you need directions. _________________________________________________________________ http://liveearth.msn.com